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in new york last night. joe, of course, going out on top. westminster was his final competition. banana joe beating out five other dogs that won in their own categories to be the top dog. "cnn newsroom" continues right now. homestretch. the nightmare cruise is getting closer to shore. the next 24 hours could be the worst yet. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. the hunt for fugitive is in flames. we're going inside chris dorner's final moments. plus -- he inspired a jack nickholson character and today one of america's most notorious gangsters tells a judge why he should be let off the hook. and a student sues for mediocre grade. my hot topics panel weighs in.
good to see you. i'm brooke baldwin live in the cnn world headquarters. california's largest manhunt is over. a killer ex-cop all but confirmed dead after that frantic last bid to escape that ended in fire and hail of bullets. here is how it all went down. >> guy's down! so it turns out, christopher dorner, already accused of three revenge killings, was hiding almost under the nose of the law. his demise all started with a single phone call, from two women he tied up in a cabin. then fish and game wardens spotted dorner driving their car a short time late, but they lost him. meantime, dorner was hijacking a pickup truck. listen to the victim. >> he came up to me with his gun
pointed at me. and i stopped my truck, put it in park, raised my hands and he said, i don't want to hurt you, just get out and start walking up the road and take your dog, which is what i did. >> dorner then shouted out with the wardens before crashing that truck, taking refuge in this cabin where the manhunt came to a head with a gun battle. reporter carter evans from one of our l.a. affiliates happened to be yards away, recorded the whole thing on his cell phone. >> you, come here!
hey! get out of here, now! >> officer down. officer down. >> copy, officer down. >> officer down. >> dorner, killed one officer, wounded another. want you to listen here, just some of the police scanner traffic recorded just before this cabin here. you see it. >> burn it down. shoot it down. get the gas. burning gas. burning gas. burning gas. burning gas. >> miguel marquez live for me in big bear. miguel, we know a charred body was found inside. it has not been positively identified as dorner. do we know how long that process will take? >> reporter: given the high profile nature of this, i'm guessing not long. we have a 4:00 p.m. local, 7:00
p.m. eastern press conference. we're expecting more information then. it is not clear how much the body was left. there are reports here locally that his wallet was found in there with his driver's license. so it is pretty clear in every official we speak to, at least privately, will say they have their man. certainly everything in terms of searching for dorner has stopped here in san bernardino and up on big bear. >> let me ask you about some of the radio traffic we just played, talking about burning gas, burn it down. do we know, miguel, any more today about how the cabin caught fire? >> reporter: we don't. it is possible that mr. dorner set the fire himself. we do know that he had thrown out a gas canister or a smoke grenade at one point, apparently trying to create a diversion. authorities then went in with their own, it sounds like, either going to put gas in there, cs gas, or tear gas. and they may have used other sorts of grenades as well.
that could have set it off. there was a lot of gunfire as well. the gunfire could have set it off. those bullets create a lot of heat going into the cabin. it is not clear how it got started. but that's one thing we also hope to hear from san bernardino sheriff's office. >> miguel marquez all over the story for us in southern california. miguel, we appreciate it. make sure you turn into "ac 360" tonight. anderson will devote the entire hour to this manhunt and to the final shootout. and the fire there at that cabin. tonight 8:00 eastern. meantime, how about the 4200 people still stranded on board that crippled cruise ship? they are now, though, at least one day away from freedom. family are already waiting at that port in mobile, alabama, where this carnival cruise ship is expected to arrive sometime tomorrow afternoon. >> he said the conditions have gotten so bad that they're asking them to use the restroom in bags and they were eating onion sandwiches and that was on monday. you know. i haven't heard anything since.
i've just been following the news feed and that they were going to be here in mobile, alabama, so i was going to be here a day early and not two minutes later when that boat arrived. >> onion sandwiches, she says. keep in mind, this cruise left galveston, texas, last thursday. fast-forward to sunday, the ship was about 150 miles off mexico's yucatan peninsula when the fire started in the engine room. and that is what triggered this chain of events which took this from a luxury four-day vacation to it is now being described as a disgusting cruise from hell. first, the primary power source went down. the water main's crippled. plumbing systems paralyzed. this boat was adrift, running only on backup power. and david mattingly has more now on the problems plaguing the carnival triumph. >> reporter: it is no exaggeration to say this cruise to paradise has turned into a cruise through hell.
>> there is raw sewage, pretty bad. when you walk in the hallway, you have to cover your face. we don't have any masks for breathing. it's disgusting. >> reporter: sunday's fire which disabled the cruise ship's engines also knocked out many of the cabin toilets. the hot water, and the air conditioning. >> the rooms are very hot unless you have a balcony room. and then you can kind of get air and light. but if you have an interior room like mine, it is pretty dark in there and it is very stuffy. especially if someone used your bathroom. >> reporter: of more than 3100 passengers, many are sleeping outside on mattresses and deck chairs. as for food -- >> cold cuts, fruit, bread, box of cereal, and water and sodas and they just opened the bar to give people free beer and wine. there is only really a couple of lines. it takes three and a half hours for food. >> reporter: fresh food is being
brought aboard from other cruise ships. two tug boats are pulling it to mobile, alabama. but at a whopping 7 miles an hour, it will take until late wednesday or thursday. meanwhile, the crew are doing what they can. >> we're not having as much fun as what we had planned, but everyone seems to be doing okay. >> reporter: and, brooke, we're hearing now from carnival officials they're canceling all the cruises from the triumph, the ship now coming in here the next 12 cruises. there won't be any more passengers going on board that boat. once it gets here to mobile, at least until april. >> yeah, i heard the piece, free beer and wine. i don't know if that will cut it, david mattingly. thank you for us from mobile. we'll cover the story live tomorrow afternoon when the ship arrives in mobile, alabama. now to some of the host stories in flasca flash. we call it rapid fire. roll it. >> pope benedict presided over
his last ash wednesday service today. this was his first public appearance since announcing his plans to resign at the end of the month. speaking earlier to those gathered in a vatican city audience hall, the pope explained what was behind his decision. >> having summoned before god my cautions, fully aware of the gravity and seriousness of such acts but also aware that it is not adequate for me to continue if i don't have the strength that it requires. >> pope benedict's final days as pope is february 28th. an accused boston gangster whitey bulger says he got immunity to commit crimes and kill people while he was an fbi informant. a judge is hearing arguments on his immunity claim today as 83-year-old bulger wants to use it as his defense in his upcoming trial on a racketeering indictment accusing him of participating in 19 different murders.
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a teaching guide. spielberg says he got a bunch of letters from teachers asking to please use the film in their classroom. this as some lawmakers say there are some factual errors. the son of basketball great larry bird arrested for allegedly trying to run over his ex-girlfriend with a car. indiana university police charged 21-year-old conner bird with intimidation with a deadly weapon, battery with injury and marijuana possession. police say it happened after the two got in some sort of fight. the woman got out of the car to try to walk home. wall street on market watch as the dow take a look here, flirting with 14,000 again, just shy of that, still a couple of points away from that all time high. remember that was set back in october of '07. we will keep an eye on the number for you as we're less than two hours away from the closing bell. and just hours after pushing for a higher minimum wage, and
affordable pre-k, the president hits the road today to sell his plan, but not everyone is buying. my panel weighs in. plus, a graduate student files a lawsuit over a c plus. saying that grade and i'm quoting, ruined her life. we're going to hear the student's side just ahead. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] what's the point of an epa estimated 42 miles per gallon if the miles aren't interesting? the lexus ct hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day.
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hurry. $14.95 won't last. one day here after the state of the union, the president is hitting the road. today, headed to beautiful asheville, north carolina. once again, his focus, america's middle class. >> our middle class, when it's growing, when it's thriving, when there are ladders of opportunity for people to do better each year and then make sure their kids are doing even better than them, that's the american dream. that's what we got to fight for. >> that is the president today, and here he is last night. take a look. the entrance to the state of the union. he comes through. watch for it, right hand, boom, fist pump. that is the president greeting illinois republican senator mark kirk, recently back from a
stroke. last night, a long list of what the president wants to accomplish, starting with a proposal for a job creating, bridge fixing brigade. look. >> tonight, i propose a fix it first program, to put people -- i ask congress to change the higher education act so that affordability and value are included in determining which colleges receive certain types of federal aid. those working with states to make high quality preschool available to every single child in america. let's tie the minimum wage to the cost of living so it finally becomes a wage you can live on. i'm also issuing a new goal for america. let's cut in half the energy wasted by our homes and businesses over the next 20 years. >> amy holmes is with me, an anchor for glenn beck's network the blaze. in the middle, patricia murphy, contributor for the daily
beast.com and rick newman, chief business xcorrespondent for u.s news and world report. we heard the president tick off this list, if you will, abroad, a lot of adjectives thrown out today, ambitious state of the union speech. patricia murphy, is the re-elected barack obama perhaps overreaching? >> well, you know, i think it obviously depends where you're coming from. if you look at what he was talking about, these are a series of smaller initiatives, universal pre-k, the -- talking about the minimum wage. these are things that are actually relatively targeted, relatively narrow. i think some of his more liberal counterparts would like to see him go bigger and bolder. i don't think it was an overreach. i do think it doesn't quite add up. there is no money left in the federal budget for the new initiatives. that's where his new problem was with his speech. >> he says won't raise the deficit. amy holmes, some say ambitious. you say -- >> i agree with patricia. last night's state of the union was surprisingly modest.
it was part george jetson, this vision of the future where our cars don't run on gas anymore, but he didn't have any specific proposal on how to accomplish that, other than we'll study it. he talked about an energy security trust led up by ceos and military folks. you heard a lot of that last night of really big ideas, followed up by pretty modest proposals. even his suggestion about looking at voting rights. again, what was his solution? to get a couple of campaign lawyer together over whiskey and cigars to try to, you know, work something out. you heard some old school liberal ideas, the minimum wage, the pre-k idea and frankly i would sort predict that republicans would pass the minimum wage. they have in the past. but i don't think you heard really a lot of meat on those bones of the state of the union last night. >> interesting you say modest but with the george jetson inference here. i'm thinking maybe not so much realistic thus far. i don't know if elroy is in the white house anytime soon. but one of the president's many proposals we heard him say is it
affordable pre-k for every child in america. we pulled some numbers here. look at this with me. this is 2011 state funding for pre-k programs went down $60 million. do the math. 145 bucks less per child nationwide. barely one fourth of 4-year-olds were enrolled in pre-k and 11 states, right here, no help at all for pre-k. amy holmes, the president is saying work with the states, let's boost pre-k. why not? >> well, you could argue is this really the role of the federal government, education is supposed to be handled at the state level. as far as pre-k goes, you're talking about working mothers and a way for this to be sort of government run day care, which has long been a goal, particularly of the feminist left. i think that was thrown out for them, that little, you know, small little morsel of red meat. but i don't think you're going to hear republicans necessarily coming to the table to spend
more federal dollars on what should really be a state issue. >> rick newman what do you think? within a couple of years every 4-year-old would have access to preschool. plausible? >> i'm wondering why obama picked that? you can identify shortcomings in the education system at every grade level up to college. so he sort of picked the lowest level, pre-k and highest level, college, when talking about affordability. so he sort of bracketed the education system there, but, again, these are ideas that don't have any funding attached to them right now. and he kind of said, well, you'll see the details when my budget goes up to the hill in a couple of weeks. but i thisnk these are going to be like a lot of other obama proposals. >> excuse me for a minute. watergate 2.0, guys. senator marco rubio, he provided the republican response, sorry to say, marco rubio this is the one thing, guilty as charged, people are talking about today.
>> oh, my gosh. >> nothing frustrated me more than false choices like the one the president laid out tonight. >> so here he goes, live on tv. bottoms up. wets the whistle. what is he thinking? >> unfortunately didn't have a cnn mug. >> didn't have a cnn mug. we should have provided it for him. patricia murphy, let me begin with you. here he is, rising republican, it is just kind of silly. >> it is. it is and it isn't. i think somebody who is more seasoned and is used to delivering major speeches at major times would not have gone for the water. i think really rubio is such a bright shining light for the republican party, but it just feels a little too soon, and last night it looked way too soon. that was just such an amateur mistake and i think it really stepped all over his message, which would have been good if it wasn't marred by his performance there. >> amy, after bobby jindal what do the republicans say to do to get this right? >> i was going to say, it was an improvement over bobby jindal, an improvement over bill clinton
if you remember at the 1988 convention where he droned on and on and no one thought he had a political future. i think marco rubio can recover from this moment, but i think we can expect to see this on "saturday night live" on saturday. >> you think? rick newman, you thirsty? final thoughts? >> if he had given a really great rebuttal, we would be overlooking that. i thought rubio was more defensive than necessary. he was defending republicans against charges that obama did not really make against republicans or attacks that obama didn't really mount. so he sort of -- i think he prepared to rebut a different speech and that gulp of water made him look nervous, for good reason, he was rebutting the wrong speech in a way, but it is not definitive and we'll hear more from marco rubio. >> we'll look for it saturday night as you point out. patricia murphy, amy holmes, rick newman, thank you for coming on today. cops say he is dangerous. he is desperate. and escaped prisoner on the run in shackles and handcuffs. hear how this convicted sex offender managed to get away
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capable of anything. a manhunt as big as texas is under way right now for this convicted sex offender who staged a daring escape all the while handcuffed and shackled. his name is alberto morales, he's 42 years old, and as you can see here, count them four, in this picture, he amassed quite the collection of mug shots to go with his rap sheet. and police say he has vowed not to return to prison. here's the thing. he escaped in the parking lot of this walmart, grapevine, texas, as detectives were escorting him from florida to nevada for sentencing. police say morales, keep in mind, this guy is handcuffed and shackled, broke an ear piece off his eyeglasses, used the tip of the glass here to stab one of the detectives during a convenience stop. morales isn't just dangerous. police say he's desperate. they're afraid he might break into someone's home for food, maybe fresh clothes. they have no clue where this guy is. they don't even know if he's still shackled.
>> this guy's been in prison for the better part of the last ten years. so it is something we describe as a prison education that he's received. and, you know, unfortunately those inmates that are in prison, they sometimes practice and train for, you know, situations like this. >> morales is facing 30 years to life in prison in nevada for sexual assault. he also faces more prison time for crimes in florida. if and when captured, the detective he stabbed, by the way, is in a hospital in dallas. sunny hostin is our cnn legal analyst on the case with me today. first of all, stabbing an officer with glasss? you ever heard of this? >> i've never heard of it, but criminals tend to be very crafty, right? and they -- criminals especially that want to escape. i've got to tell you, i mean, there are certain parameters to high risk inmate transport, which is what this was. and generally there are more than two officers there, usually three or four. and there are all these
guidelines. it appears in this case, unfortunately, he was supposed to be transported by air. that would have been probably a safer way to transport him. >> why not take a plane? why a car? >> they said he was acting erratically. that's what we know at this point. and so my sense is they thought that the safer way to transport him would have been by car, apparently someone -- another person was supposed to meet them there. another detective. and that didn't happen. and it is very unfortunate because it certainly is a threat now to those that are in the area. he's considered armed. he's considered dangerous. and he has a pretty dangerous past as well. >> i guess this will just add another layer of a charge if and when they finally catch him. >> no question about it. it is illegal to escape. >> you can't do that. >> absolutely. >> sunny hostin, thank you very much. up next, my hot topics panel standing by, talking about chris dorn, still getting support, despite everything we have been watching and covering. still getting support on social
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is true, he's a villain, right? but there is this whole wave of social media support growing for this man at the heart of the largest manhunt in l.a. history. on the we stand with christopher dorner facebook page, one post reads, i've never seen such a true hero as chris dorner. someone else tweeted, his cause was just, his actions were just extreme. joining me now, mc lite, host of cafe mocha and president of the l.a. grammy chapter. jack moore, editor of buzz feed sports. lauren ashburn, editor in chief at the daily download. and mark lamont hill, a professor at columbia university. welcome to all of you. lauren, let me just begin with you. when you hear some of the comments, do you -- do these dorner sympathizers, let's call them dorner sympathizers, do any of them have any point? >> my mouth dropped open when i heard you say this. i have a really, really hard time with people saying that this man is a hero after the people he killed, all the
manpower hours that have been wasted, not to mention the airwaves that have been wasted by this chase. i'm in shock. >> who disagrees with lauren. >> there is no waste here, though. this has been an important public conversation that we have had about police brutality, about police corruption, about state violence. there are talks about making him the first domestic drone target. this is serious business here. i don't think it has been a waste of time at all. as far as dorner himself goes, he's been a real life superhero to many people. don't get me wrong. what he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad. when you read his manifesto, you read the message he left, he wasn't entirely crazy. he had a plan and mission here and many people aren't rooting for him to kill innocent people. they're rooting for somebody who was wronged, to get a kind of revenge against the system. it is almost like watching django unchained in real life. it is kind of exciting. >> he went about it the wrong way. >> the lapd angle, we now know chief beck said, look, yes, we
will relook at the firing, we'll investigate. i don't know where that stands given the status of the case now. but do you think this should serve as a catalyst for a conversation, talking about racism in the lapd? >> i think this is -- >> absolutely. >> i think this is really even beyond just talking about the lapd, though. i think the issue is that you'll always have people on social media who support these villens. there are james holmes fans on social media too. >> is this the same thing? >> there is some part of it that is social media weirdness. there is something to it in that the narrative of christopher dorner doesn't -- in some ways it resembles a denzel washington movie where someone is wronged and he stands up for himself and goes down in a blaze of glory. it is hard not to turn it into a movie. >> we have the law. we have the law. there are appropriate ways to do this. you can -- >> not if the law is broken.
>> guys, guys, guys, what if we say previous to, take the murderous rampage out of it, would he have had a point? >> would he have had a point to -- well, he could have gone through the proper channels, of course. i think this kind of thing happens a lot. but you don't go out and kill people. >> the game totally changed. >> the proper channels don't work. if i say that the lapd is corrupt, if i say the lapd is corrupt and you say go through the proper channels. the proper channels is to call the lapd. there are hundreds, literally thousands of cases of police brutality reported about the lapd every year. 99% are dismissed. guess who does the investigation? the lapd. that's the problem. you can't go to -- >> mc lite, i want to hear from you. you're listening to the voices, what do you think? >> absolutely. everyone's making a point that needs to be heard, i'm sure. my fay and especially what i
read about the case is that he wanted to make good in terms of reporting, i guess, a fellow officer who had kicked a homeless person. so if it all has catapulted into this, i mean, sure shame and yes just but it is extreme to take another's life. >> of course. >> i see on the social media fronts there are lots of folks there who say a lot of things we all -- they ought not say. >> there is weirdness. >> weirdness about it. but truthfully, people are -- it is an uproar because people are being brutalized within l.a. and all over this nation. we're seeing kids die at the hands of police brutality. so, yeah, it is out of weirdness, but these social media, it is good to hear what these people have to say. and, yes, it is not a waste of time because it is a conversation that needs to take place. >> i'm glad we had the conversation. i have a feeling the conversation will continue. stand by. hot topics panel. when we come back, anyone get a
now to that c grade. the former graduate student suing lehigh university in pennsylvania for a c plus. the morning call newspaper reports megan thode is suing the school for $1.3 million saying the grade kept her from becoming a licensed professional counselor. she says her teacher had a bias against her when she gave her a zero for classroom participation. the newspaper reports the school attorneys say thode swore in class and was unprofessional. i should mention she has a job now, after graduating from this masters program. but here's part of the kicker. she had a full ride because her father is a professor at lehigh. so before we get into this, professor mark lamont hill, give it to me straight. if you get a c plus in grad
school, how bad is that? >> c plus in grad school is pretty bad. that's the equivalent of an f in undergrad. everyone in grad school gets an a or a minus. if you're a weak student, a b plus. if you get a c plus, that means you probably came in there on a crack pimm crack pipe or playing etch-a-sketch the whole time. >> jack what do you think, now that she's suing the school? >> it is great the idea you can sue schools for giving you a bad grade. i think nyu owes me a little bit of money then. it is ridiculous. it makes sense her father is a teacher there because a lot of the stories talked about how he was in all the meetings with her, talking to the school, and dealing with the teacher. and it is, like, you're a grad student. at what point is your dad not going to be in your teacher meetings? does he go on job interviews with you? is he going to go on first dads with you? >> how about the idea that, you know, not every grade is black and white. mc lyte, can you sympathize with
her at all? she says she was treated unjustly. >> $1.3 million? >> that apparently -- that's apparently the difference between over a lifetime what she would have made had she gotten a better grade and had this sort of state level certification versus what she has now. anywho, continue. >> a c plus doesn't come from out of thin air. there had to be many things going wrong. i'm not buying it. >> okay. someone else jump in. what do you think? >> -- look at this. this is the kitchen sink lawsuit, right? you throw everything in. and what do we do? the solution to all of our problems are to sue? i give this woman an f in understanding the law. >> is it, though, lauren, the fact that we're in a la tithous society or another example of the millennial generation. hey, my dad worked -- >> i think part of that is true. that generation has been painted
as a generation that has been handed everything, that expects things to just go their way, they change jobs if they don't like it, they don't have loyalty, they move here or there. i don't think that's it. i think part of this is an entitlement. i got a free ride, and i expect that free ride to continue into my grades. >> jackie? >> that kind of language scares me a little bit because if we start talking about that, that becomes excuses to not give people scholarships not to give people grants because we'll say, if you -- even public assistance, if you give people free stuff they don't value tif. i think this is a generation, oor a student who is overprivileged. >> we have to talk on, we have to talk burgers. this guy was their number one customer, visited this place, we heard this, the heart attack grill, every single day, for about a year and a half until he
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to this heart attack grill, they dubbed him patient john. got his own official caricature, unofficial spokesman and designed a clothing line for this man. he ate there nearly every day for the last year and a half. and the place is known for its, shall we say, decadent. look at this. they pile this stuff on. some say destructive menu. the quadruple bypass burger, by the way, comes just shy of 10,000 calories. in fact, the owner calls himself, quote/unquote, a nutritional pornographer. mc lyte, i begin with you here. the real question is who is to blame? the guy who on his own volition walks into this place each and every day and eats these things or is it the restaurant that continues to serve? >> i think it is everyone involved. everyone has to have a certain amount of responsibility in this thing. if we care for other people, obviously this guy, naming
quadruple bypass burger, that's ridiculous. it is a call to action for america to get with it. like, take control of what is happening to us as it relates to our health. we're in bad shape. >> jack, what do you think? >> i will -- now i'll think twice before opening diabetes diner and we'll kill you cafe. it clear little not stop someone from eating there every day. what do you have to do to know something is bad for you? something is called heart attack grill, you're eating a quadruple bypass and he ate there every single day? >> for the last year and a half. the tag line is, taste worth dying for. >> well, the only person who can answer that question is no longer with us. so why -- >> hang on, guys. let me read this quote, from the owner of the place. i think the food i'm serving is unsafe. only way what i'm doing would be immoral would be if i were to market as healthy by throwing a cute side salad on the menu. it is most moral restaurant on the planet earth because we're absolutely here to make a
statement about owe oe bies ty, about coronary issues and about death and dying and everything prevalent about dieing in this society. if you go to a bar, you can't booze too much because the bartender cuts you off. >> it is full disclosure, you cannot blame the restaurant. did you read all that. they're inviting you to die. come on in, we have got a coffin in the back. it is your responsibility to, as mc said, you know, get a little bit of discretion, maybe set some boundaries on what you're going to eat. but there is also a point here for someone who doesn't go every single day to the heart attack grill that it takes a lot for someone to have a heart attack. you have to have a pre-existing condition, you have to have clogged arteries. and so for other people who go there, for the fun of it, to have a half a burger or to do whatever, i mean, it is a great gimmick.
>> sure. i'm sure they're trying to get to the bottom of what exactly, to the point of pre-existing conditions, it can't be burger and then you die. we'll find out. we're talking to the owner of the place, jon basso, next hour, and we'll ask him if he feels at all responsible for this man's death. coming up next, we'll take aim at toy guns. should kids be allowed to play with them? you're about to hear some surprising answers. we have two parents on the panel today. back in a moment. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets. [ babies crying ] surprise -- your house was built on an ancient burial ground. [ ghosts moaning ] surprise -- your car needs a new transmission. [ coyote howls ] how about no more surprises? now you can get all the online trading tools you need
next topic for the panel, by the way, i hope you're tweeting. tweet us. how grown sh-ups should handle guns. hasbro has come out with this ner nerf gun, pink, for girls. toy guns, should any child, girl, boy, be playing with one of these things, especially now in the wake of newtown, aurora, tucson, gun violence very much so part of the national conversation. a lot of parents say no. listen to one guest from piers morgan this week. >> you have an 8-month-old boy, you're going to let your boy play with guns? >> never. >> are we not getting it? >> when i was a kid, my parents wouldn't let us have water guns. i intend to do the same thing. when he's potty trained, i won't let him hold his penis in an aggressive way. >> that's one person's opinion. mark, you have a little girl.
if she wanted to play with a toy gun, big deal or yes? >> really big deal. in fact, this past summer her summer camp was having a water gunfight day where everyone played with water guns and she couldn't participate. we sat out of camp that day. i don't think it is okay. i think we normalized a culture of guns. i'm not suggesting that every kid that gets a water gun is going to shoot somebody or that there say one to one relationship between the images we see and what we do. but if we make it normal to grab guns and people get a love for guns, it leads to the kinds of things we see in recent times and that's what i'm worried about. >> this is a water gun. >> they're playing. i'll say t iit. i'm a mom of a 9-year-old. listen, they are playing, they are not being aggressive. and i am much more concerned about violent video games and teens than i am with kids running around with a nerf gun shooting each other. >> why does it have to be a gun.
why couldn't the water fight be with water balloons or something else? why make the gun the mechanism by which we have fun? >> i have water balloons. my kids throw water balloons. that's true. >> we're talking about this because of what is on the market right now. someone handed me, we have a couple toy guns laying around cnn. one question, i guess, i this is, if you're a kid and growing up in a household where you say no guns, no guns, you think sort of reverse psychology, wouldn't that then perhaps make a child grow up and become, you know, i don't know, a gun collector as was the case with one of the writers on my team? >> there is somebody -- there is a professor who goes around the can country and talks and he spoke at my daughter's school, and he said that, and studied this behavior if kids are playing, if they're playing, not aggressive, it is not violent. it is violent if that kid takes the nerf gun and puts it over another kid's head and bashes
him. that's aggression that needs to be channeled. >> from jack. jack, go ahead. >> i just think -- >> it is more than just -- it is more than just -- it is more than just toy guns. like, these kids are going to see it on tv regardless. they're going to see -- to draw the line at nerf gun and water guns seems so shortsighted. we want a solution to this problem so badly that this -- this is the easiest way to do it. not let your kid play with a toy gun. but is that going to stop them from seeing -- is that going to stop them from seeing it on the news or tv or on movies? no. it is a systematic issue. this is not the -- >> you can only be responsible for what happens in your own home. you can only be responsible for what happens within your reach. and, to me, just as the young lady stated, i'm worried about a video game, just as much as i'm worried about this, because, to me, it is a war on kids and their psyche. >> have to leave it there. >> who knows, who knows who is
the hunt for a fugitive ends in flames. we're taking you inside christopher dorner's final moments. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. i always battled with how much do i reveal about myself. >> beyonce revealed. why oprah is calling this new documentary a game changer. plus -- he inspired a jack nicholson character, and, today, one of america's most notorious gangsters tells a judge why he should be let off the hook.
and -- >> we're just getting started. >> move over piers morgan. robin meade filling in tonight. but first, she joins me live to reveal her very special guest. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. the new details here on this case involving that killer ex-cop, christopher dorner. police are all but certain today that dorner died last night inside this cabin here, in big bear, just about 100 miles east of los angeles. california's largest manhunt ending in a hail of bullets and a hellish fire. >> guy's down! >> christopher dorner killed one officer and wounded another in that gunfight at that mountain cabin in big bear.
but official scanner traffic recorded just before the cabin caught fire raising questions today about police tactics as they moved in to get their man. we're going to play the audio here and talk more about that with joe johns in just a moment. but first, nick valencia, i want to come to you, live at lapd. i know investigators held a news conference just a couple of hours ago. tell me what is next in this investigation obviously as they try to formally identify dorner's body. >> reporter: it may take days before they're able to officially confirm that it was, in fact, chris dorner, that was pulled from those charred remains at the big bear cabin. if it is any indication behind me here at lapd headquarters in downtown los angeles, things are back to normal. if you give -- if the investigation is still ongoing, though, there is a lot of things to clean up. a lot of cases that are still open including murder and attempted murder charges against chris dorner. but there is a lost reluctance here among police officers to celebrate.
you mentioned that press conference that happened earlier this morning at that press conference, lieutenant andy neeman spoke about the emotion surrounding the dorner manhunt. >> there is a lot of apprehension today in any kind of celebration because this really is not a celebration. this has been a very trying time over the last couple of weeks for all of those involved and all those families, friends and everybody that has been touched by this dorner incident. >> reporter: emotions here, you can tell, brooke, are still very raw. and one quick point to point out, this is another indication to you things are back to normal, if you remember at one time there was more than 50 lapd officers and their families receiving detailed protection. that's been scaled back to just a handful of lapd officers. brooke? >> nick valencia, thank you. now listen to police chatter picked up during the standoff last night with christopher dorner. and this chatter, it is raising a number of questions about what police did to get their man.
>> burn it down. shoot the gas. get the gas. burning gas. burning gas. burning gas. burning gas. >> want to bring in joe johns, our crime and justice correspondent for me in washington. and, joe, what is police procedure in a standoff like this one? >> well, as you know, a lot of this comes down to how the fire started, san bernardino authorities aren't saying so far. though it is a question we have been asking now. we're told it is not standard procedure to set a fire to a building to get a suspect to come out of it. but some of the initial audio from cbs reporter made reference to a smoke grenade and the chaos and someone yelling burn the house down or words to that effect. listen. >> burn that god [ bleep ] down. >> reporter: the second guessing started immediately. though we don't know how the
fire started, to the untrained ear, after authorities concluded they had someone in this cabin in the woods, it sounded to some like they could have intentionally set fire to it to try to smoke out the suspect. about 23 minutes later, an early reference to burner being deployed. >> burners deployed and we have a fire. >> we have a fire. >> reporter: a u.s. marshal and expert on fugitive apprehension told me based on the audio, he doesn't believe the authorities on scene tried to burn down the house. >> burn it, burn it, burn it. what do you make of that? >> it could be just bravado talk. obviously there is multiple rounds being exchanged at that particular time. you have an officer down, two officers down at that point. and one of them obviously dies later and at that point it could be just bravado, but, again, there is no operating plan that calls for torching a home in
order to get a suspect out. >> reporter: the term burners heard on the audio was once used as slang for tear gas canisters, though police generally no longer use gas that can catch fire. >> obviously we want to gas the individual out of the house. they're nonincendiary type devices, so they wouldn't have any possibility of catching the house on fire. >> reporter: he said the term burners may also have referred to so-called flash bang before he grenades, which are used to surprise people who are wanted by the police. what is a flash bang? >> a concussion type device that you toss in through a window or into a room and it creates a concussion where it numbs the hearing and blinds the eyes so that individuals that are in that room aren't able to respond to a team making an entry. >> a lot going on there that still will have to be investigated by the authorities.
someone on the audio also reported hearing what sounded like a round from a gun being fired inside the structure, which could also give a clue, an important clue as to whether the -- it was the fire or the smoke that killed the suspect. roderick believes it was the sound of the suspect taking his own life, as in shooting a gun. if he killed himself, obviously that would put to rest any speculation about whether an intentionally set fire was the cause of death, brooke. >> but, joe, assuming the body is badly burned, how likely is it that we will ever know the cause of death? >> we did talk today to a former medical examiner who said he believes it is very likely they will be able to come up with a conclusive cause of death, and actually find out whether it was smoke or fire, whether it was a bullet, self-inflicted, or even if it was a bullet fired from
someone else's gun. he thinks depending on how badly that body is burned, it is a pretty good chance you'll get something clear on that. >> okay. joe johns, thank you. want to talk now about dorner's victims. one of them, officer michael crain, killed one week ago tomorrow. today he was remembered with the sound of bagpipes and a flag-draped coffin. ♪ his funeral, there in riverside, california, a chilling reminder of dorner's ten-day vendetta rampage. crain was a former marine who served two tours of duty in kuwait. he was a police officer in riverside for 11 years. days before killing crain, dorner shot dead keith lawrence and his fiancee monica quan, the daughter of an l.a. police
officer, a man he blamed for his firing. his final stand in big bear, once dorner was cornered, police state expert marksman claimed his final victim, a deputy yet to be named here. coming up tonight at 8:00 eastern, anderson cooper is devoting his entire hour to this case, nine days of terror, the hunt for christopher dorner right here on cnn. now, to this so-called cruise from hell. you see here, men, women, children, trapped on the cruise ship carnival, standing on the upper deck. you see them all lined up as it is towed, very slowly, to mobile, alabama. cnn has been hearing from passengers on board that it is just too hot in those rooms below. and with reports of sewage running down the walls, and urine-soaked carpets, no wonder these people are standing up top getting some fresh air. but for the family of those trapped on the ship, the situation is tough to hear. nick ware joins me now.
his mom and her boyfriend ed are on board this cruise ship. you got this text message and it read this, three ships supplied us with food, but people are hoarders. ship needs to ration. hoarding food. nick, obviously we heard the food situation was bad. we heard people were in fistfights over it. what are they telling you? >> they're telling me that just about every time a meal is offered, there is a four-hour line and it is the person in the front of the line allowed to take however much he wants so people see the person in front of them taking too much, they start to get concerned they're not going to get any, fights break out, things like that, verbal arguments. >> i was hearing onion sandwiches. what else are they eating? >> i heard once the meat for the burgers ran out, they're eating condiment hamburgers, whatever condiments they could get on a bun, and that's what they were eating. that was as of monday. >> mustard and a bun. what about the toilets? how did they describe that
situation? >> they told me that the toilets, the public restrooms are smelling very bad, of course, haven't been able to flush and most of them since monday. they said they got some of them back up and running, but still for 4,000 people, the few restrooms they have running or operating is not enough. as far as using the restrooms before they had any operating, people were going in red biohazard bags. they explained it me as they placetoilet and go and obvious what they do after that. >> we'll leave it there as it is lunch time on the west coast. this is the apology from carnival. look at this. >> let me assure you that no one here from carnival is happy about the conditions on board the ship. and we obviously are very, very sorry about what is taking place. there is no question that conditions on board the ship are very challenging. >> he says it is challenging.
nick, do you think your mom and boyfriend would be -- how would that apology sit with them? >> i don't think it would sit very well. i don't think challenging is the word for it. i would think horrible describes it a little bit better from what i heard on monday. as far as apology goes, i think the true way to express their sorrow would be to come clean and tell us what the conditions are really like on board, rather than lying to the families when they call the family hot line. >> a lot of people talking about the lack of communication and just 20 seconds, nick, what do you think your mom does when she hops off that ship tomorrow? >> i imagine grab a shower and something to eat. i'm not sure. >> nick ware, thank you so much. we wish your mom and her boyfriend the best as we'll be taking that live tomorrow. thank you, sir. the cruise ship, as i mentioned, expected to dock in mobile, alabama, tomorrow afternoon. we will bring you live team coverage as it returns, and have reaction from passengers such as
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woman got out of the car and walked home. ♪ first day of lent for catholics was the first public appearance for the pope since he announced he was stepping down because of his health. pope benedict xvi, here he is, presiding over wednesday mass today at the vatican. before the service, he read a statement saying he is resigning, quote, in full freedom for the benefit of the church. benedict's final day is february 28th. from the presidential inauguration to the super bowl, beyonce is everywhere. now the megastar giving fans a rare behind the scenes look at her life. >> i felt like i had been so commercially successful, it wasn't enough. it is something really stressful about having to keep up with that. you can't -- >> cnn caught up with beyonce on the red carpet and asked her
them other boys don't know how to act ♪ justin timberlake and jay-z are going on tour, rolling stone is reporting the duo is talking about at least ten shows this summer. negotiations are ongoing. as for jay-z's wife, beyonce here, a new tell-all documentary airing saturday on hbo, the baby bump, blue ivy, and the battle of her life. she says she knows who she is, she's ready to tell her story. here is the preview calling it "life is but a dream". >> i felt like i had been so commercially successful it wasn't enough. it is something really stressful about having to keep up with that. you can't express yourself. you can't grow. it is the battle of my life. so i set a goal. and my goal was independence.
everyone was, like, what is she going to do now? i just had a feeling that something was going on. this is crazy. >> don't have to approve the rough cut. it is done. >> live television in two days. >> keep putting me in tight clothes and trying to hide it, it is very difficult. >> entertainment correspondent nischelle turner joins me from l.a. give me a little preview, a little bit more from this doc on saturday. >> well, apparently there is going to be lots of details. this film she's releasing is in part made up from her video diaries she's kept throughout the years. by all accounts it really reveals a different side of her, that vulnerable side we rarely see from beyonce. she even told us that she learned a lot about herself working on this film. she was the executive producer on it. she was involved in every part of it. and, you know if she wanted a big endorsement for it, well,
she got one. last night. oprah winfrey was on the red carpet with her and she raved about this documentary. she called it a game changer because she says it lets us see beyond beyonce the celebrity and lets the audience see her as a real person. and it is hard to imagine because she is -- does seem so perfect to see her as a real person like you and i, you know, every day. >> why did she do this? what was the inspiration? >> that's a good question. she simply said one reason, her daughter. 1-year-old blue ivy. listen to this. >> after i laid eyes on my daughter, i felt like i know who i am, and i'm ready to tell my story. gave me a lot of bravery. it absolutely is my message to her, and hopefully when she goes through some of the hard times in her life, she can see this and it will inspire her. >> now, it is interesting to think of her daughter actually watching this movie because beyonce really talks about personal issues here. she talks about having a miscarriage before she was pregnant with blue ivy, reports
she faked her pregnancy, and even she talks about removing her father as her manager. i can imagine there is awkward family conversations that may be playing out on the screen. if i can just be a girl with you for a second here, these video diaries of her with this fresh face, no makeup, how does she still look so good? >> i was just thinking that. i thought, my goodness, the camera is right in front of her face, her skin is stunning. i imagine she has quite the team making sure she looks as phenomenal as she does, but i think it comes from within. i don't know beyonce. i'm not besties with her. just a guess. amazing. >> i'm wondering. i don't know. >> nischelle turner, i'm sure you would look the same. i'm sure you would look the same. thank you very much. from actor to security guard, look at this. this guy look familiar? comedian will ferrell protecting basketball players. this is at the l.a. lakers game last night. clearly dressed in the proper gear, the red jacket, the mustache. but he did his job.
jokingly booting shaquille o'neal from the game. he's currently shooting anchorman two. steven spielberg's nominee "linco "lincoln" will be available in every middle and high school in america. >> the fate of human dignity in our hands. >> we'll find out soon enough if he wins. disney is sending schools a free dvd of the movie with a teaching guide. spielberg says he got a lot of letters from teachers asking to use the film in their classroom, but lawmakers still maintain there are a number of factual errors in the film. up next, question to be raised about the police audio during christopher dorner's final moments. we'll play the scanner traffic and i want you to decide for yourself.
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a killer ex-cop is all but confirmed dead after this frantic last bid to escape, whole thing ended in a raging fire and hail of bullets. >> guy's down! turns out christopher dorner already accused of those three revenge killings, was hiding almost under the nose of the law. his demise, started with a single phone call from two women he tied up in a cabin. dorner shot it out with two game wardens before crashing a truck and taking refuge in a cabin where the manhunt came to an end. >> we have an officer down. officer down. >> copy, officer down. >> medic ship in the air. medic ship in the air. officer down. >> another officer down. >> dorner killed one officer and wounded another. his final moments spent surrounded by the law as the
cabin right here, in which he was barricaded, went up in flames. i have a different perspective for you on the standoff that ended california's biggest manhunt. we have put together the words of law enforcement taken from official scanner traffic as authorities moved in on their man. >> we're going to go -- we're going to go forward with the plan with the burn. >> copy. >> we're going to open up all the lanes and have barricades up. >> burners deployed. we have a fire. >> seven burners deployed and we have a fire. >> be ready on the number four side. we have fire in the front. might come out the back. >> ready. >> sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence. >> copy, one shot fired from inside the residence. confirming still want fire to run? >> roll in and stage. >> copy. >> lincoln to all units, all perimeter units, stand by,
maintain your discipline. >> we have ammo exploding inside the -- >> is there any propane cylinders or anything back there we need to be aware of? >> not that i can see from my position. >> do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof settle downs a little bit, and like it is starting to collapse. >> give me some time here. we're not quite there yet. i have the 2-3 that is audible
check your freezers, lean cuisine lovers, three customers say they found glass shards in their mushroom ravioli dishes. now nestle is taking action, recalling more than 500,000 of them. it says no other line liean cui products are affected by the recall. just that kind. now to vegas, where the number one patron died from a massive heart attack this week. he was john alleman, 52 years of age, was apparently so devoted to the heart attack grill that they made him sort of the unofficial spokesperson, designed a clothing line for him, and he ate there nearly every day for the last year and a half, according to the grill's facebook page. as for how the restaurant got its name, if you haven't heard about this, this offers up a 10,000 calorie quadruple bypass burger, flat liner fries and
coronary dogs. critics say servie ining food l this is immoral and unsafe. joining me is the owner of the heart attack grill, jon basso. i see a white jacket. you're not an md. you call yourself a doctor of -- >> well, i refer to myself as the doctor of burgerology. but i do have to say that the american medical association does not recognize me. now, they opt not to recognize me, but i think that many, many people who do come to the heart attack grill view what we do as a medicine in and of itself, much as you would recognize a chinese doctor of medicine. here is -- >> hang on, let me just jump in. we'll get to this medicine here in a minute. i want to get to mr. alleman. my frank question to you is heart attack grill, do you at all feel responsible for his death? >> i feel the same
responsibility that any fast food chain should feel for anybody's death. the fact that you've graciously had me on your show speaks volumes for your particular show, because john alleman's story is a story that needs to be told. he was a person living out on the edge of society, and a person who had no other outlet. to give you a very graphic illustration, these are his last belongings that the nurse gave me at the hospital. because she had no one else to give them to. he was a night watchman in a tower and he would come every day to the heart attack grill because he loved the pageantry of it. he would stand outside and holler at people and say, come on in, and get the greatest burger in the world. >> i understand that, sir. i hear your affection and i read your twitter page, we were talking at commercial break, you were there as he flat lined in the hospital. you tweeted watching john die this morning took it all out of me. still jon basso, we have you on
because there have been deaths before, you know. people have died. this happened before. bigger picture, you know, as we were talking earlier, bar tenders cut people off from drinking too many drinks. do you feel you need to stop someone from eating so many burgers? >> here's the point. i can't cut anybody off because if i do, i fail to deliver the message that is the core of the heart attack grill. >> what is the message? >> i need to be painted as the villain by the media because if i don't stand up and say, hey, hamburgers, hot dogs, rich caloric meat dishes are horrible for us if we do them on a day in and day out baseis. >> why not just say it, jon, instead of deliver these 10,000 calorie burgers every day? big difference. >> if i said it, and didn't deliver it, i wouldn't be here before all of these fine people watching right now. because i do deliver it, and i
deliver it unashamedly, that gives us the avenue to state the fact that the american medical association has failed the world. and don't say this tritely. this is evidence by the fact that the obesity epidemic has overtaken the modern world. not just in the united states. >> do you eat at your restaurant? >> i can attest to you i do. >> how often? >> daily. i'm an admitted junk food person. everybody will tell you that. >> how is your health? how is your cholesterol? what do the doctors say to you? do they say this is okay? >> a physician certainly wouldn't say to do that. i'm a very active person. anybody who comes in the restaurant and watches me cook and flip burgers and run around and clean tables, they know i'm a very active person. here's the situation. people have weaknesses. we're all innately human. whether a gambling addiction, sex addition, alcohol situation,
or a food addiction. food addiction is the hardest thing to kick because we always have to eat several meals a day. if you're eating, you're teasing yourself. you can cut off alcohol, gambling, promiscuous sex but can't cut off food. there needs to be one honest person left in the restaurant industry to wave that flag and say, look, we're all dying. i want to say i make a fine living doing this. and critics might say, well, john, you're profiting. of course i am. this is my job. but i've opted for a career in which i can both make money, and make a statement. >> okay, jon basso, i'll leave it there. i hear what you're saying. i'm sorry about your friend and also just kind of curious what people watching would say. send me a tweet. i'm curious if you understand where jon is coming from or if you think they should close their doors. thank you, sir. i appreciate it. coming up, he's the boston gangster who inspired the main character in the movie the
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years before his dramatic 2011 capture in santa monica, california, and boston globe columnist kevin colin joins me live from brookline, massachusetts, he co-wrote this new book "whitey bulger: america's most wanted gangster and the manhunt that brought him to justice." welcome, you covered him for years and years and years. tell me about his 16 years on the run. who helped him along the way? >> well, i mean, the most important person on the run was actually his companion, kathleen greg. whitey was more or less a recluse on the run. he was inside the house most of the time in their apartment. their rent control apartment, i might add. a few blocks from the pacific ocean. but, you know, whitey could only exist, i think, in a time and place of where he came from. and i think what we try to write in the book is not just what i guess you call true crime, but also social history and wrapped in there is a love story. whitey had a love triangle for
lack of a better term. as much as we know of him as being this heartless killer out there, when he wasn't engaged in an act of violent crime, he was balancing two households, one of which didn't know about the other one. so he was living with theresa stanley during the day and had a sit-down dinner every night with her four children in which he would lecture them how to stay on the straight and narrow, and then he would leave that household and take up with his other mistress, catherine greg six miles away from the house where he had his dinner with all the kids. that was one of the most interesting things we found. he was a man of many contradictions. he was this sort of -- he looked for the father knows best or ozzy and harriet lifestyle, and yet he was out there engaging in all sorts of violent acts. >> we cover this story, when bulger was captured and so i actually talked to someone, you could call him a protege of whitey bulger, red shay, i'll never forget the interview. his hatred for him is palpable. roll this. >> the dream of me seeing him in
the streets of new york just bumping into him, and grabbing a hold of him and pulling him in to a building and asking him why, why did he -- why did he, you know, become an informant against basically myself and betrayed the code of silence? >> what do you do in that dream? >> in that dream i snap his neck. you snap his neck. this is all because you went to jail, you served time, you never ratted him out. what do you say about rats in southy? >> well, it's -- i think it is, you know, realized that rats in any mob world is a no-no. and especially in southy. southy you grow up, you know, accept your responsibility, even if the guy next to you can't.
if you do something wrong, you pay your price for it. and that's just the way it is. >> kevin, is whitey bulger is preparing to testify for trial, seems like you know so much. bring me inside the mind of this man. what do you think he's thinking? >> well, we actually know what he's thinking, brooke, in the book. one of the things we have in the book are his letters sent from jail since his arrest in june of 2011. and what he's thinking is that he wants to change the narrative. up until this point, people like you and me have been writing that narrative, and he doesn't like that. there are two things he's obsessed with, with refuting at trial, one is that he's an informant. and whitey is a master at semantics and his argument is he never testified against anybody and none of his information led directly to somebody going to prison. so he says he's not an informant. that -- we could debate that all night. second point he really wants to refute is that he did not kill
two women whose murders are among the 19 he's charged with. one was named deborah davis, the other one deborah hussy. that is what really sticks in his crawl because whitey believ he's a criminal but he says he was a criminal with scruples and a criminal with scruples do not kill can women. but the charges that he used his hands to kill these women and put them in secretive graves. >> kevin, thank you. move or gangngam style. there are anchors doing it. it's called the harlem shake. they break out the dance next. oh nothing to do.
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>> harlem shake videos all start with this one person dancing alone in a room full of people who just kind of look bored. and then everyone bursts into these dance moves. i don't know what these people are doing on this subway. but let's bring in someone who i know can break a move or two, wolf blitzer, i can see you breaking out a little harlem shake. >> only if you come join us here in "the situation room" next time you're in washington. >> maybe i'll be the person with the helmet on that starts the whole thing as long as you promise to dance. >> okay. thank you. >> what's going up in "the situation room"? >> we're following up on the christopher dorner and we're going to speak with the fish and wildlife authority in california. his wardens were the first there that tipped off local authorities and we all know the end result as of now. we're going to get the latest on
that. we're getting more stories that you've been covering, including what is going on with that cruise ship. 24 hours or so from now it's supposed to arrive. >> right about this time tomorrow. >> right. but what's going on right now, we're going to try to speak to some of the folks on board and some relatives waiting anxiously for their loved ones to make it to shore. of course, on this day after the president's state of the union, well full analysis. gloria borger, john king, cornell belcher. we have a lot of analysis of what is going on as we move this story forward. these next few weeks are going to be critical, brooke. >> thank you, wolf. we'll see you in five minutes. and i'll be right back. art rate, administering her medication, and just making her comfortable. one night britta told me about a tradition in denmark, "when a person dies," she said, "someone must open the window so the soul can depart." i smiled and squeezed her hand. "not tonight, britta. not tonight." [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson & johnson.
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crippled carnival cruise ship that is slowing moving towards shore. no power, failing sewage systems. now we've heard that carnival sent a third tugboat to help tow this ship. where is it now, chad? >> still 140 miles away. they certainly hoped it would be closer than that by now. all day today, this tugboat has been up against 20 to 25-mile-per-hour head winds. this tugboat can only go about 12 to 14 miles per hour on its own. when you hook up a big ship behind it trying to tow it against all of this wind and the ship is acting like a big sailboat going the wrong direction. this is the buoy they can be at tomorrow so they can take it
through mow beel ta. there is the triumph right now where they are going to rendezvous with another boat. they will hook up also more boats up here along the canal. this canal is only about 300 yards wide where you don't want to be bumping into the side of the big dredged area here. there's ft. morgan. it's going to go right past ft. morgan and on into mobile bay. 30 miles on up into mow beel from here, this dredged canal. red cans and buoys and going all the way through there. any mariner remembers going through there, they are going to take it through here, through past sand island. there's a cruise ship dock that they don't use anymore and that's where they are going to go. it's right there. hopefully they get there this time tomorrow. >> it should be this time tomorrow. chad myers, thank you. >>